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Historic Nor'easter pounds Mid-Atlantic coast
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:55 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009 +3
A historic Nor'easter, energized by the remains of Hurricane Ida, is pounding the coast form North Carolina to New Jersey with heavy rain, tropical storm-force winds, and a destructive storm surge. Wind gusts of 64 mph were reported at the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel and at Cape Henry, VA this morning. The high winds, combined with the slow movement of the Nor'easter are acting to push near-record storm surges onto the coast in Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware. At Norfolk, Virginia, the storm surge from Ida-ex was 5.0 feet at 10 am EST, the third highest storm surge there since tide gauge records began in 1927. Only Hurricane Isabel in 2003 and the Chesapeake-Atlantic Hurricane of 1933 have brought higher storm surges to Norfolk. Serious coastal flooding is occurring from northern North Carolina to the Delaware/New Jersey border, and the storm surge at Lewes Point, Delaware at 10 am this morning was 4.0 feet, just below the record high of 4.17' set during the January 4, 1992 Nor'easter. Tide records go back to 1919 at Lewes Point.


Figure 1. The Ida-ex Nor'easter at 9:31 am EST 11/12/09. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

The highest storm surges on record at the Sewell's Point tide gauge in Norfolk, Virginia are:

5.62' Sep 2003 Hurricane Isabel
5.61' Aug 1933 Chesapeake-Atlantic Hurricane
5.00' Nov 2009 Ida-ex
4.73' Sep 1933 Hurricane 13, Cat 1
4.66' Mar 1962 Ash Wednesday Nor'easter
4.05' Sep 1936 Hurricane 13, Cat 2

And the highest water levels, measured above Mean Lower Low Water (MLLW, the lowest tide measured in a full 19-year natural tidal cycle):

1933 hurricane (Aug 23rd 1933)..............8.9 feet MLLW
April 11th 1956 Nor'easter..................8.0 feet MLLW
Hurricane Isabel (Sep 18th 2003)............7.9 feet MLLW
Ash Wednesday storm (Mar 7th 1962)..........7.8 feet MLLW

The water level during high tide this morning at 5 am EST reached 6.7' MLLW in Norfolk at Sewell's Point, but the storm surge of Ida-ex has increased by a full foot since then. The next high tide at 5 pm may see water levels near 8.2 feet. The tremendous amount of rain Ida-ex is dumping over the coast is adding to the storm surge, since the drainage of the rivers into the coastal bays raises the water level above what the wind pushes in.


Figure 2. Predicted storm tide (height above Mean Lower Low Water (MLLW, the lowest tide measured in a full 19-year natural tidal cycle, black line) for Sewell's Point, Virgina in Norfolk, as predicted by the GFS model. A storm tide of 8.0 feet is forecast this afternoon during the 5 pm EST high tide. For a full description of this plot, see the NOAA Extratropical Surge web site.


Figure 3. Tide gauge trace from the Sewell's Point gauge in Norfolk, VA, shows a storm surge of 5 feet (green line) at 10 am EST, and a maximum tide of 6.7 feet above MLLW so far today. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.


Figure 4. Radar-estimated rainfall from the Norfolk radar shows a large area of 4 - 5 inches of rainfall over coastal Virginia and North Carolina. The band of very high rainfall amounts of 5 - 8 inches shown in the northeast part of the radar display is not real; rainfall amounts in that region have been closer to 2 - 4 inches. The error results because at that distance from the radar, the beam is about 8,000 feet above the ground, and is hitting a "bright band" of highly reflective precipitation, where snow is melting and forming rain. The highly reflective rain/snow area reflects much more of the radar beam back, making the software algorithm used to estimate precipitation amounts fail.

You can follow the storm today with our Severe Weather Page.

Jeff Masters
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51. Chucktown 04:52 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting ElConando:
A Superstorm to me would be the 93 Nor'easter, but how many times will you be able to see a sub tropical low in the GOM merge with a strong southernly challenged Nor'easter? not many.


Actually it happens quite frequently during the winter. Its called phasing. Ex-Ida only redeveloped as a nor'easter due to the strong shortwave that was digging deep into the south from the northern jet. Without it, ex-Ida most likely would have just passed east and out into the Atlantic.
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52. beell 04:52 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
...or you have a different opinion as to when you no longer consider a system a viable entity.

That'll work. Be safe and get us some good pics!

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54. NEwxguy 04:53 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting StormW:


I used to be 21.


I think I used to be 21.
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55. lawntonlookers 04:53 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
451, You might want to post those videos in Blizzard92 Blog. He doesn't follow Dr. Masters Blog that much because of the bashing that goes on, but it would be nice to have them in his Middle Atlantic Blog.

I also want to prase you for the early perdiction on the three storms coming together. I was trying to find the blog you first posted it in, but to many to look through
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57. NEwxguy 04:54 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Reed,don't let the bashers ruin your fun,its what were here for,the ingredients were always there for this to come together,it was just unsure if it would happen,and obviously they did.
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58. Bonedog 04:54 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
stewboy.. up here nobody knew this was coming. We had no warnings. Even as of late yesterday there was a chance of precip and the HWO for us said low chance for high winds.

I think for MD/DE/NJ it was a surprise. Thats why you will see alot of pics of stuff that would have been done if it was a predicted storm vs what we got.

I think NY/NJ needs a better eye on this as I think the slow speed, a warm gulf stream, the blocking high to the north might very well keep this one a slow mover, closer to the coast and be a larger impact then what is being predicted.

I just dont see the storm stalling around the capes till tomorrow night then making a right hand turn out to sea. I see a more NNE track inside the 40/70 benchmark. Just my observation on that one and I know its against the models and the NWS but I just have my gut feeling on this one.
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60. pearlandaggie 04:57 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
i don't remember 21......LOL
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61. largeeyes 04:57 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Nasty line of storms between Ocracoke and Hatteras.
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62. atmoaggie 04:59 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
An update to Dr. M's plot:



Peak value lessened, error (a.k.a. anomaly) went way up, falling tide is over...

My take is that GFS backed off the winds...and I don't think it is right. Given the error of 2 feet at low tide (now) and the error of 0.5 foot at high tides (average of the last 3 cycles), I am going to say the forecast is missing the peak this afternoon by between 0.5 to 1.0 foot.
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63. largeeyes 05:00 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Looks like rain may finally be done/near done here in Eastern NC New Bern/Havelock. Our parking lot needs a No Wake sign...
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64. NEwxguy 05:03 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
I think this winter is going to be a very intersesting season along the east coast if the fall is any indication.
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65. pearlandaggie 05:06 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
64. wintercaster! LOL..j/k :)
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66. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 05:06 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
very interesting indeed
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67. pearlandaggie 05:08 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
this is pretty wild.....

A Lightning Strike in Africa Helps Take the Pulse of the Sun

"Even though Africa is thousands of miles from Israel, lightning signals there bounce off the Earth's ionosphere--the envelope surrounding the Earth--as they move from Africa to Israel," Prof. Price explains. "We noticed that this bouncing was modulated by the sun, changing throughout its 27-day cycle. The variability of the lightning activity occurring in sync with the sun's rotation suggested that the sun somehow regulates the lightning pattern."
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69. Orcasystems 05:16 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
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70. TampaSpin 05:21 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting NEwxguy:


I think I used to be 21.


Told ya there was a NorEaster from Hell coming.....just the Snow isn't gonna be there it appears as i first thought.
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71. pearlandaggie 05:34 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
70, 64. have you guys seen this?

Penalty! Unnecessary Blandness!

i don't think that guy knows what he's talking about! LMAO
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72. AwakeInMaryland 05:36 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
I think for MD/DE/NJ it was a surprise.

Not really, Bonedog.
It be DENIAL. :):(

I'm 17 in my head. The mirror laughs and cries simultaneously.

21 is perfect for me, wink, wink (in my dreams...)
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73. gordydunnot 05:36 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
21 that's a card game, before you know it you'll be past 52 card pickup. Down hill after that but still fun.
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74. TampaSpin 05:37 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
X-Ida is in 80deg waters of the Gulf Stream.....
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75. AwakeInMaryland 05:41 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting pearlandaggie:
70, 64. have you guys seen this?

Penalty! Unnecessary Blandness!

i don't think that guy knows what he's talking about! LMAO

Got a design for Deadskins?

Change of topic, back to topic, add-on;
o boy, Jeff Morrow is at OC, MD.
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76. pearlandaggie 05:42 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
75. yeah, it's on there...did you see it? OMG! LMAO :)

Link
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78. Floodman 05:44 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting StormW:


I used to be 21.


LOL...me too...we used to go down to the drive thru and get bronto burgers...LOL
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79. TampaSpin 05:44 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
I know and realize that this system is no way close to being Tropical in Nature but, it is in waters of 80deg and blowing like hell....and UNNAMED even as a XtraTropical system....but, yet many wanted to name a storm in the far NE Atlantic in 65deg water that looked a little more Tropical in looks but could never get going with the cold waters..Just some food for thoughts!
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81. AwakeInMaryland 05:45 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
76. Oh yes, dah-link, I saw it (OMG indeed.)
But that design infers that they are ALIVE.

I think Grateful Dead has already copywritten appropriate graphics, unfortunately.
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82. pearlandaggie 05:45 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Floodman was Fred Flintstone's other neighbor! LOL
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83. pearlandaggie 05:46 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
81. the Patriots' redesign looks like Captain America!

Link
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84. NRAamy 05:47 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
78. Floodman 9:44 AM PST on November 12, 2009
Quoting StormW:


I used to be 21.


LOL...me too...we used to go down to the drive thru and get bronto burgers...LOL



yeah, and you made you car go by running your feet really fast....

;)

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85. TampaSpin 05:49 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Here was my post on November 8th

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86. Floodman 05:49 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting pearlandaggie:
Floodman was Fred Flintstone's other neighbor! LOL


You bet...damned Dino used to jump the fence and leave coprolites in my yard...
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87. Floodman 05:50 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting NRAamy:
78. Floodman 9:44 AM PST on November 12, 2009
Quoting StormW:


I used to be 21.


LOL...me too...we used to go down to the drive thru and get bronto burgers...LOL



yeah, and you made you car go by running your feet really fast....

;)



How do you think I screwed uo my back? Brakes, baby!
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88. pearlandaggie 05:50 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
86. bwahahaha! speechless! LOL
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89. pearlandaggie 05:52 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
87. with that kind of car, i guess you don't need one of these! LOL
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90. AwakeInMaryland 05:59 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
NRAAmy! I was just going to ask Flood if he'd heard from you, really. (psychic hotline, 1st 3 mins. free...)

Did/will EPI work? (Fingers crossed.)
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91. NRAamy 06:01 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Awake...it takes up to 5 days for it to work...so, I'm keeping my fingers crossed...felt like they exploded a bomb in my leg when they injected me....
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92. STORMKILLER007 06:02 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    

QUESTION--FOR ALL --WOULD A HIGH PRESSURE--PLACED OVER THE STORM HELP--IMMEDIATE ANSWER
PLEASE
93. pearlandaggie 06:03 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
92. if the answer is "yes", are you going to put one there? :)
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94. tedauxie 06:03 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Good morning all:

Please forgive me if this is a repeat but I just tuned in. Isn't this east coast hybrid taking on the characteristics of the 1991 "perfect storm"?
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95. AwakeInMaryland 06:05 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting NRAamy:
Awake...it takes up to 5 days for it to work...so, I'm keeping my fingers crossed...felt like they exploded a bomb in my leg when they injected me....

Wha-at? And that's what they give to women in labor? (I know, in different location).
I didn't have one with my son. That's why I only had one kid (natural kiss my arse, don't do it, get EPI anyway, lurkers.)
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96. TampaSpin 06:06 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting STORMKILLER007:

QUESTION--FOR ALL --WOULD A HIGH PRESSURE--PLACED OVER THE STORM HELP--IMMEDIATE ANSWER
PLEASE


It could cause it to move inland more and possibly a higher wind gradient with the High and LOw.
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97. Grothar 06:06 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting tedauxie:
Good morning all:

Please forgive me if this is a repeat but I just tuned in. Isn't this east coast hybrid taking on the characteristics of the 1991 "perfect storm"?


Where were you when P451 and reedzone needed you? Impressive looking storm, isn't it?
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98. AwakeInMaryland 06:07 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting tedauxie:
Good morning all:

Please forgive me if this is a repeat but I just tuned in. Isn't this east coast hybrid taking on the characteristics of the 1991 "perfect storm"?

That's what Greg Forbes said on TWC all last night, over and over again due to the magic of video.
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99. atmoaggie 06:08 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Saturated ground, high winds...(not to even mention floods)







All from Hampton Roads/Tidewater (inclusive of VA Beach, Norfolk, Chesapeake, Portsmouth, Hampton, Newport News, Smithfield, Yorktown, etc.)
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100. TampaSpin 06:08 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting tedauxie:
Good morning all:

Please forgive me if this is a repeat but I just tuned in. Isn't this east coast hybrid taking on the characteristics of the 1991 "perfect storm"?


Nope the same players are now no longer in place as they was in the GOM. IDA moved North to fast for everything to come together there. This is simply a classic NorEaster currently that loves the very warm Gulf Stream.
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101. Floodman 06:10 PM GMT die 12o November, anno 2009    
Quoting NRAamy:
Awake...it takes up to 5 days for it to work...so, I'm keeping my fingers crossed...felt like they exploded a bomb in my leg when they injected me....


Hang in there, hon...
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