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Looking back at Hurricane Gustav's record 211 mph wind gust
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 04:28 AM GMT die 30o December, anno 2008 +3
As we look back at the weather events of 2008, perhaps the most impressive record set during the year occurred during Hurricane Gustav, which pounded Cuba as a Category 4 hurricane in August. Gustav set a new world record for highest wind gust ever measured in a hurricane. As Gustav passed over the Paso Real de San Diego meteorological station in the western Cuban province of Pinar del Rio, Cuba, on the afternoon of August 30, 2008, a wind gust of 211 mph (94.4 m/s) was recorded (it was originally pegged at 212 mph, but has been "downgraded" to 211 mph after an official review by the World Meteorological Organization). The powerful winds blew down the anemometer, and it is possible that higher gusts occurred after the instrument failed. Not only is this the highest wind speed ever measured in a hurricane, it is the second highest wind gust ever measured at a non-mountain location on Earth, and is the third highest wind gust ever measured on the surface of the planet. The highest wind gust in recorded history is the amazing 253 mph reading recorded on Barrow Island, Australia, during Tropical Cyclone Olivia in 1996. The second highest wind speed ever measured was 231 mph (370 km/hr) on the top of Mt. Washington, New Hampshire, on April 12, 1934, during passage of an extratropical storm. The fourth highest wind gust on record was the 207 mph gust measured in Greenland at Thule Air Force Base on March 6, 1972. The previous highest wind gust measured in a hurricane was 186 mph at Blue Hill Observatory, Massachusetts, during the notorious 1938 "Long Island Express" hurricane.


Figure 1. Anemometer used to measure the record 211 mph gust in Hurricane Gustav. Gustav's powerful winds flattened the instrument against the roof of the observing station. Image credit: Jose M. Rubiera Torres, Instituto de Meteorologia of Cuba.

Is this a believable record?
The instrument used for the measurement in Gustav was a Dines pressure tube anemometer mounted on the roof of the weather office. According to Jose M. Rubiera Torres of Cuba's Instituto de Meteorologia, "The graph is neat and the instrument was in perfect technical working condition. The wind peaked up to 340 km/h and then the anemometer mast fell over the concrete roof of the station's building, sharply interrupting the measurement. The graph [Figure 2], shows that wind gusts were increasing at a regular pace with time, until the instrument broke down when it got to the 340 km/h mark." Dines anemometers have a proven track record of reliability, and have been used in Cuba for over 60 years. A formal committee under the auspices of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) certified the record in 2009.


Figure 2. Trace of the Dines anemometer used to measure the record 211 mph gust in Hurricane Gustav. Image credit: Jose M. Rubiera Torres, Instituto de Meteorologia of Cuba.

How did such a strong gust occur?
At the time Hurricane Gustav moved over the Paso Real de San Diego meteorological station, the storm was rated a Category 4 hurricane with sustained winds of 150 mph, gusting to 185 mph. When the peak wind gust of 211 mph was measured at 22:35 GMT, the western eyewall of Gustav was over the anemometer site, as seen on Cuban radar (Figure 3). The town of Paso Real de San Diego is at an elevation of about 40 meters, and lies 25 km inland, about 12 km south of a rugged line of mountains up to 700 meters high. The counter-clockwise flow of air around Gustav's eyewall meant that the winds arriving at Paso Real de San Diego were forced to pass over these mountains first. The mountains probably focused and accelerated the winds through gaps between the peaks, and the air accelerated further as it rushed downhill under the force of gravity. Strong downbursts due to collapsing precipitation cores inside Gustav's eyewall probably contributed to the extreme gusts. When hurricanes make landfall, the intense thunderstorm cells that comprise the eyewall sometimes collapse suddenly, sending a downward cascade of intense winds to the surface. When this rush of wind hits the ground, it spreads out in all directions, forming a strong surface wind event known as a downburst. It has been theorized that some of the extreme damage noted in Florida during Hurricane Ivan in 2004 and Hurricane Andrew in 1992 may have been associated with downbursts from collapsing eyewall thunderstorm cells. This behavior may also be responsible for some of the extreme damage in Mississippi from Hurricane Katrina. Animations of infrared satellite imagery available from the University of Wisconsin CIMSS Satellite Blog show that the eyewall of Gustav collapsed during passage over the high mountains to the north of Paso Real de San Diego, but this occurred after the world record wind gust was measured.


Figure 3. Radar image of Hurricane Gustav (top) at 22:25 GMT on August 30 2008, five minutes before the world record 211 mph hurricane wind gust was measured. The site of the Paso Real de San Diego meteorological station where the record was set is marked with a red dot. A topographic map (bottom) shows the line of mountains up to 1200 meters high that lies just north of the town. The counter-clockwise flow of air around the eye of Gustav brought the strongest winds of Gustav across the mountain range then downhill to Paso Real de San Diego. Radar image credit: Instituto de Meteorologia of Cuba. Topographic map image credit: Wikipedia.

Note: this post was updated in 2010 to reflect the official WMO review of Gustav's wind gust, plus the addition of the new World Record wind gust set in TC Olivia in 1996.

Jeff Masters
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302. Orcasystems 04:43 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting presslord:
Today's 50th anniversay of Castro's overthrow was said to have been quite subdued....due in large part to the hurricane damage Cuba sustained this year....

Hmmm, so I will be doing my 30th at their 50th and I turn 50 in a few months.. seems fitting.
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303. sullivanweather 04:46 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
In all my years of following numerical computer models I've never seen a 1044dm height contour on a 200mb chart over North America. Amazing!

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304. KEHCharleston 04:54 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
RE:303. sullivanweather
Could you please expound on this - layman's terms if you please.
Thanking you in advance
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306. sullivanweather 04:59 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
The lines you see on that chart is the height of the 200mb level in the atmosphere expressed in decameters.

Basically, what you're seeing there is a rather intense polar vortex centered just north of Hudson Bay.

Of course, since this is a 288 hour forecast it's very likely that this won't happen, but it is interesting to note how low those heights are.
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307. hurricane23 05:04 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Dont really pay any mind to 200+hr plus forcast but indeed crazy to see.

Those iso's are ridiculous STL.
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308. sullivanweather 05:07 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Cyclones, whether it be a hurricane or in this case, a strong polar vortex, get strong because there's little obstruction to prevent it from doing so (notice how symmetric the vortex is). Typically, cyclones will strengthen until they are in equilibrium with their surroundings, which is why near circular systems are able to garner such strength, there's little, if any, shortwaves within the planetary wave in this macroscale example.


This is also bad news for those looking for cold and snow in the US beyond this period for a little bit. With the polar vortex so far north and so strong there'll be little shortwave troughiness to drag down that cold air. Also, such a strong vortex will also have a strong jet stream surrounding it, keeping that cold air locked up in Canada and allowing for maritime air form the Pacific to flood over the nation. Though, it does get rather cold in the East before this monster forms.
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309. KEHCharleston 05:17 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
RE:308. sullivanweather

Theoretically - if this should happen

Does this mean that polar vortex would be so tightly wound, that it will be unable to spread south??
The cold will be more intense within the cyclone, but it would be somewhat contained??

Or am I not getting what you are saying at all (As I have said before - I do not hold the opinion that there are no stupid questions - so I do appreciate your tolerance)

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310. sullivanweather 05:20 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting KEHCharleston:
RE:308. sullivanweather

Theoretically - if this should happen

Does this mean that polar vortex would be so tightly wound, that it will be unable to spread south??
The cold will be more intense within the cyclone, but it would be somewhat contained??

Or am I not getting what you are saying at all (As I have said before - I do not hold the opinion that there are no stupid questions - so I do appreciate your tolerance)




You're getting it =)

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311. KEHCharleston 05:24 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
310. sullivanweather

Thanks!

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312. BahaHurican 05:33 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Evening everybody. Happy New Year to those I missed last night :o)
Quoting Drakoen:
Latest update from the CFS forecasting Nino3.4 SST anomalies showing condition showing La Nina developing for the first half of the year then trending towards neutral conditions.
This sounds like another season similar to 08 in some ways, especially in terms of numbers. It'll be interesting to see if the forecast starts to trend towards El Nino by the end of the year, or if it'll remain neutral throughout the season. (I'm sure this La Nina is also contributing to our wetter than average winter here in the Bahamas.)
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313. atmoaggie 05:50 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting MichaelSTL:
Also, I still occasionally see comments about there being no scientific consensus; this would argue otherwise (note this ONLY includes scientific organizations - nonscientific doesn't count, though in some of the organizations listed below you still have some people like this):

Statements by concurring organizations

* 1.1 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) 2007
* 1.2 InterAcademy Council
* 1.3 Joint science academies' statement 2008
* 1.4 Joint science academies’ statement 2007
* 1.5 Joint science academies’ statement 2005
* 1.6 Joint science academies’ statement 2001

...
...
* 1.34 American Society for Microbiology
* 1.35 Institute of Biology (UK)
* 1.36 World Federation of Public Health Associations
* 1.37 American Public Health Association
* 1.38 American Medical Association
* 1.39 American College of Preventive Medicine
* 1.40 American Statistical Association
* 1.41 Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)
* 1.42 Water Environment Federation
* 1.43 Chartered Institution of Water and Environmental Management
* 1.44 Federal Climate Change Science Program (US)



Statements by dissenting organizations

With the July 2007 release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate.


What a load of crap.

Signed,
An actual card-carrying meteorologist with a MS ('S' stands for science)
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314. atmoaggie 05:55 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Yeah, but the stuff I post is scientific fact


Numbers compared against a sub-multidecadal time period (most any of your anomaly plots) are not scientific facts...they are statistical facts.

Statistical facts can show you anything you want them to.
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315. atmoaggie 06:00 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting sullivanweather:
The lines you see on that chart is the height of the 200mb level in the atmosphere expressed in decameters.

Basically, what you're seeing there is a rather intense polar vortex centered just north of Hudson Bay.

Of course, since this is a 288 hour forecast it's very likely that this won't happen, but it is interesting to note how low those heights are.


If that persists, we could have a record size and duration of a NH ozone hole come February.
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316. TampaSpin 06:15 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    

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317. SevereHurricane 06:27 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
this is just a video of my Hurricane Katrina analisis I was bored. lol

Enjoy!

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318. TampaSpin 06:27 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
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319. Cotillion 10:23 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
One of the tropics most painful and deadly diseases may be on its way to being combated...

Link

(I know Pottery had it, so I thought I'd post this. :))
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320. IKE 10:44 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Press told me that the last time he posted something like that it was just a joke; well, I am now adding him to my ignore/ban/blocked lists permanently; should have known better than to listen to his explanation.


Congrats Press....you've now joined me on STL's silly ignore list.
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321. IKE 10:54 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Fairbanks,Alaska in the ice-box....

Fairbanks, Alaska (Airport)
Updated: 10 min 57 sec ago
Light Snow
-27 °F

Light Snow Mist
Windchill: -27 °F
Humidity: 62%
Dew Point: -36 °F
Wind: Calm
Pressure: 30.13 in (Falling)
Visibility: 3.0 miles
UV: 0 out of 16
Clouds:
Scattered Clouds 1800 ft
Mostly Cloudy 3500 ft
Mostly Cloudy 5500 ft
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 433 ft


Their forecast for Friday night.....Friday Night
Partly cloudy. Patchy ice fog. Lows 40 below to 50 below...except around 25 below in the hills. Light winds.
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322. IKE 11:03 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
I wonder if STL would add a family member to his ignore list if they posted on here and discounted the GW theory?
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323. surfmom 11:26 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
mORNING!!!.....Ike how much coffee did you drink, you are already Funny
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324. surfmom 11:30 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Hi Cot --interesting article on Dengue
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325. indianrivguy 11:39 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Morning Gang! We have a pretty sunrise about to happen here in Jensen Beach, I hope everyones day starts as pretty!
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326. IKE 11:42 AM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting surfmom:
mORNING!!!.....Ike how much coffee did you drink, you are already Funny


Cup #4.....er, so far!
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328. surfmom 12:08 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Indianrvr - we're getting those fingers of morning sunrise color here now too!

Mavericks - Knarely !! Certainly stuff for the big boys.... Vort, you may want to sent that over to Baja... I believe she hails from that part of CA and would be interested.

Dog walking BBL
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329. pottery 12:12 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Good Morning all.
It is a Beautiful morning.
I should have stayed in the forest??
Good news on the Dengue fever mosquito.

Whats the plan today ??
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330. MissNadia 12:15 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Morning Pottery

Do you think the blog is ready for an article on global COOLING ????
Maybe it is too early with the time zone thing and all
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331. pottery 12:20 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
I read an interesting sentence, written by Doris Lessing, this week.
She says that Persuasive conditioning is very powerful. If you suggest to people that all cats are black, in a persuasive manner, they will see black cats. Even if a white cat, carrying a sign that says "black cat" passes by, these people will see a black cat.

It reminded me of the current GW debate.

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332. MissNadia 12:23 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting pottery:
I read an interesting sentence, written by Doris Lessing, this week.
She says that Persuasive conditioning is very powerful. If you suggest to people that all cats are black, in a persuasive manner, they will see black cats. Even if a white cat, carrying a sign that says "black cat" passes by, these people will see a black cat.

It reminded me of the current GW debate.


I know all about that...my wife sez supper was good...supper was good!!!!LOL
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333. pottery 12:25 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Greetings, Nadia.
Well, I slept under an extra blanket last night. So yeah, I am all for that.
The Planet cooled very substantially here, at my house, at about 2:27 am this morning. It has warmed up quite a bit since then. But it certainly felt like a trend for a while there. LOL
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334. pottery 12:26 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
332. Good one.
heheheheheh
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335. MissNadia 12:27 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Pottery
What are your normal temp. ranges during the winter?
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336. pottery 12:38 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
At 11 N , on a small Island, we get very little temp change at all.
A rare, cold early morning can get down to 68F, at this time of year.
Mid day temps will be between 80F and 95 F, purely dependent on cloud cover.
Dry season is usually Dec to May. Winds are more northerly, drier, Hot.
Rainy season is very much more humid, ITCZ conditions. Often very little wind.
Dec. to Feb is the nicest "climate" . Relatively cool, trees are still green, and not too humid. After Feb. the humidity goes right down, trees lose leaves, hot dry wind, fires, smoke, dust etc.
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337. MissNadia 12:47 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
336
Thanks
I am surprised the humidity drops so much on an island.
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338. MissNadia 12:48 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Pottery
I have to leave...cat to the Vet in a few...thanks for your time. LOL
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339. Cotillion 12:51 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Someone wanna pass me some warmth?

Next Wednesday could get as low as -14C... (That's like 6F.)

Brr brr brr. It's going to be absolutely freezing for the considerable future it so far appears. Hoping it changes...
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340. presslord 12:53 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting IKE:


Congrats Press....you've now joined me on STL's silly ignore list.


Do we get a trophy..or a plaque...or something to commemorate the honor?
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341. presslord 12:58 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting IKE:
I wonder if STL would add a family member to his ignore list if they posted on here and discounted the GW theory?


I didn't even disagree with him...I posted a news story ABOUT someone who disagreed with him...
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342. IKE 01:35 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting presslord:


Do we get a trophy..or a plaque...or something to commemorate the honor?


Yup, he sent me a plaque. Be careful though...he sent mine C.O.D.
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343. IKE 01:36 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting presslord:


I didn't even disagree with him...I posted a news story ABOUT someone who disagreed with him...


He goes over-the-edge on...I can't even type it again. Dude is obsessed with it.
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344. WxLogic 01:45 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Morning...

After the mild weeks we've had in FL it should be getting rather cold and a bit wetter the next week to week and a half.
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345. all4hurricanes 01:45 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
This blog is slow, can we talk about retirement that was a hot topic
Storms that WILL retire
Gustav, and Ike
Storms that are likely to retire
Hanna, and Paloma
Storms that might retire
Dolly, Fay, and Omar

anyone disagree?
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346. hurricanemaniac123 02:17 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Quoting all4hurricanes:
This blog is slow, can we talk about retirement that was a hot topic
Storms that WILL retire
Gustav, and Ike
Storms that are likely to retire
Hanna, and Paloma
Storms that might retire
Dolly, Fay, and Omar

anyone disagree?


I would say:

Storms that WILL be retired:
Ike and Gustav
Storms that will likely be retired:
Dolly, Fay, Hanna, Paloma (I might have some doubts on Fay and Paloma)
Storm that might be retired:
Omar
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347. presslord 02:19 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
ya know...the interesting thing to me is...science REQUIRES vigorous, respectful and ongoing debate...without that, it's just dogma...the irony is, these folks have no respect for science, actually...they are much like the evolution denialists...
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348. MissNadia 02:25 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Here is the first shot of the day!!!!


The Warm Turns

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Climate Change: The Earth has been warming ever since the end of the Little Ice Age. But guess what: Researchers say mankind is to blame for that, too
As we've noted, 2008 has been a year of records for cold and snowfall and may indeed be the coldest year of the 21st century thus far. In the U.S., the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month of October.

Global thermometers stopped rising after 1998, and have plummeted in the last two years by more than 0.5 degrees Celsius. The 2007-2008 temperature drop was not predicted by global climate models. But it was predictable by a decline in sunspot activity since 2000.

When the sun is active, it's not uncommon to see sunspot numbers of 100 or more in a single month. Every 11 years, activity slows, and numbers briefly drop near zero. Normally sunspots return very quickly, as a new cycle begins. But this year, the start of a new cycle, the sun has been eerily quiet.

The first seven months averaged a sunspot count of only three and in August there were no sunspots at all — zero — something that has not occurred since 1913.

According to the publication Daily Tech, in the past 1,000 years, three previous such events — what are called the Dalton, Maunder and Sporer Minimums — have all led to rapid cooling. One was large enough to be called the Little Ice Age (1500-1750).

The Little Ice Age has been a problem for global warmers because it serves as a reminder of how the earth warms and cools naturally over time. It had to be ignored in the calculations that produced the infamous and since-discredited hockey stick graph that showed a sharp rise in warming alleged to be caused by man.

The answer to this dilemma has supposedly been found by two Stanford researchers, Richard Nevle and Dennis Bird, who announced their "findings" at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco. According to them, man not only is causing contemporary warming. He also caused the cooling that preceded it.

According to Bird and Nevle, before Columbus ruined paradise, native Americans had deforested a significant portion of the continent and converted the land to agricultural purposes. Less CO2 was then absorbed from the atmosphere, and the earth was toasty.

Then a bunch of nasty old white guys arrived and depopulated the native populations through war and the diseases they brought with them. This led to the large-scale abandonment of agricultural lands. The subsequent reforestation of the continent caused temperatures to drop enough to bring on the Little Ice Age.

Implicit in this research is that the world would be fine if man wasn't in the way. We either make the world too cold or too hot, a view held by many in high places.

In a speech at Harvard last November, Harvard physicist John Holden, President-elect Obama's choice to be his science adviser as director of the White House Office of Science and Technology, presented a "top 10" list of warming solutions.

Topping the list was "limiting population," as if man was a plague upon the earth. This is a major tenet of green dogma that bemoans the fact that the pestilence called mankind comes with cars, factories and overconsumption of fossil fuels and other resources.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Centre of Canada's Carleton University, says: "I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet."

Indeed, a look at a graph of solar irradiance from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration shows little solar activity during the Little Ice Age and significant activity during recent times.

Don't blame Dick and Jane — blame sunspots.


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349. zoomiami 02:27 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
Hey Press - obsessive belief in anything is not a good thing. I personally don't like the intolerance. I've always believed that you must respect others opinions, even if they aren't yours.

Having never stated an opionion on "GW", I'm not convinced with the science that we are all the cause. I think that we have to look back over a longer period. It almost strikes me as arrogance to believe that we are that important in the scheme.
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350. presslord 02:34 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
MissNadia...glad you posted that...I thought about posting it...but decided I'd caused enough trouble....
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351. KEHCharleston 02:36 PM GMT die 02o January, anno 2009    
G'morning all, g'afternoon Cotillion

Quoting zoomiami:
Hey Press - obsessive belief in anything is not a good thing. I personally don't like the intolerance. I've always believed that you must respect others opinions, even if they aren't yours.

Having never stated an opionion on "GW", I'm not convinced with the science that we are all the cause. I think that we have to look back over a longer period. It almost strikes me as arrogance to believe that we are that important in the scheme.

Gotta agree with you there zoomiami
This is not to say that there are not plenty of valid reasons to avoid polluting our world and to conserve resources.
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